{"id":164,"date":"2008-06-03T23:49:04","date_gmt":"2008-06-04T04:49:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/technologists.com\/notes\/?p=50"},"modified":"2020-03-15T19:49:12","modified_gmt":"2020-03-16T00:49:12","slug":"avsr-vs-msft-numbers-of-patents-or-patent-numbers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/notes.technologists.com\/notes\/2008\/06\/03\/avsr-vs-msft-numbers-of-patents-or-patent-numbers\/","title":{"rendered":"AVSR vs. MSFT: numbers of patents or patent numbers?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday, Avistar issued a press release: <a href=\"http:\/\/avistar.com\/company\/news_detail.aspx?id=98\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fourteen of Microsoft Re-examination Challenges of Avistar&#8217;s U.S. Patents Rejected by U.S. Patent Office<\/a>. Various reports followed, counting nine re-exam requests\u00a0that had been determined for re-exam\u00a0by the U.S. PTO, e.g., <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.mercurynews.com\/docudrama\/2008\/06\/02\/avistar-14-microsoft-9-in-patent-re-examination-battle\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Avistar 14, Microsoft 9 in patent re-examination battle; shares jump<\/a>. Since there were a total of 29 reported filings by Microsoft, that appears to leave six requests that have neither been rejected nor determined for re-exam. (The reported 21 cent jump in AVSR share price from below a dollar to $1.18, might actually be the biggest news, given the NASDAQ ramifications of share prices less than a dollar.)<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m leery of the clerical accuracy of the &#8220;Patent Application Information Retrieval&#8221; (&#8220;Public PAIR&#8221;) data at <a href=\"http:\/\/portal.uspto.gov\/external\/portal\/pair\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/portal.uspto.gov\/external\/portal\/pair<\/a>, because of typos and worse that I have found in the past\/find there now, but I have looked there at a few of the Avistar patents. There seem to be three patents of special interest when Avistar asserts patents against other companies. For example, from <a href=\"http:\/\/findarticles.com\/p\/articles\/mi_m0EIN\/is_2005_May_12\/ai_n13697216\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Avistar Announces Patent Infringement Lawsuit Against TANDBERG<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Avistar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq:AVSR), a provider of business video collaboration solutions and technology, today announced that its wholly owned subsidiary, Collaboration Properties, Inc. (CPI), has filed a patent infringement lawsuit against TANDBERG ASA and TANDBERG, Inc. In the suit, CPI alleges that several TANDBERG videoconferencing products infringe three of CPI&#8217;s patents. The three patents involved are U.S. Patent No. 5,867,654; No. 5,896,500; and No. 6,212,547.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>According to PAIR:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Patent number 5,867,654, \u201cTwo monitor videoconferencing hardware\u201d, has a status of &#8220;Reexam Assigned to Examiner for Determination&#8221; as of April 11. (Update June 14: &#8216;654 request for re-exam is now listed as denied, as of June 10.)<\/li>\n<li>Patent number 5,896,500, &#8220;System for call request which results in first and second call handle defining call state consisting of active or hold for its respective AV device&#8221; has a status of &#8220;Request for Reexamination Denied&#8221; as of May 30.<\/li>\n<li>Patent number 6,212,547, \u201cUTP based video and data conferencing\u201d, has a status of &#8220;Determination &#8211; Reexamination Ordered&#8221; as of May 20. (Update January 15, 2009: &#8216;547 is now listed as &#8220;Non-Final Action Mailed&#8221;, as of December 5.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So for these three main patents, the score seems to be Avistar 1 (#500) , Microsoft 1 (#547), with the tie breaker (#654) pending.<\/p>\n<p>But I suspect that the number of patents requested for re-exam, and the numbers of patents where Avistar and Microsoft win these preliminary determinations, will matter very little relative to what happens with that one patent where reexam is ordered.<\/p>\n<p>6,212,547 is likely more important than any of the other numbers above.<\/p>\n<span hidden class=\"__iawmlf-post-loop-links\" data-iawmlf-links=\"[{&quot;id&quot;:551,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/avistar.com\\\/company\\\/news_detail.aspx?id=98&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20110904191929\\\/http:\\\/\\\/www.avistar.com\\\/company\\\/news_detail.aspx?id=98&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-11 19:08:12&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:503},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-21 11:17:43&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:503},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25 03:52:50&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:503}],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25T03:52:50+00:00&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:503},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:552,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/blogs.mercurynews.com\\\/docudrama\\\/2008\\\/06\\\/02\\\/avistar-14-microsoft-9-in-patent-re-examination-battle&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20090107051230\\\/http:\\\/\\\/blogs.mercurynews.com:80\\\/docudrama\\\/2008\\\/06\\\/02\\\/avistar-14-microsoft-9-in-patent-re-examination-battle\\\/&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-11 19:08:11&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:404},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-21 11:17:41&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:404},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25 03:52:49&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:404}],&quot;broken&quot;:true,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25T03:52:49+00:00&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:404},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:490,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/portal.uspto.gov\\\/external\\\/portal\\\/pair&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20220512075707\\\/https:\\\/\\\/portal.uspto.gov\\\/external\\\/portal\\\/pair&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-12 15:31:04&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-21 05:03:25&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25 03:52:52&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200}],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25T03:52:52+00:00&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:553,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/findarticles.com\\\/p\\\/articles\\\/mi_m0EIN\\\/is_2005_May_12\\\/ai_n13697216&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20101130064150\\\/http:\\\/\\\/findarticles.com:80\\\/p\\\/articles\\\/mi_m0EIN\\\/is_2005_May_12\\\/ai_n13697216\\\/&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-28 16:27:24&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-21 11:17:44&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25 03:52:54&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200}],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-25T03:52:54+00:00&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;}]\"><\/span>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday, Avistar issued a press release: Fourteen of Microsoft Re-examination Challenges of Avistar&#8217;s U.S. Patents Rejected by U.S. Patent Office. Various reports followed, counting nine re-exam requests\u00a0that had been determined for re-exam\u00a0by the U.S. PTO, e.g., Avistar 14, Microsoft 9 in patent re-examination battle; shares jump. 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