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href=\"http:\/\/avistar.com\/company\/news_detail.aspx?id=98\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fourteen of Microsoft Re-examination Challenges of Avistar&#8217;s U.S. Patents Rejected by U.S. Patent Office<\/a>. Various reports followed, counting nine re-exam requests\u00a0that had been determined for re-exam\u00a0by the U.S. PTO, e.g., <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.mercurynews.com\/docudrama\/2008\/06\/02\/avistar-14-microsoft-9-in-patent-re-examination-battle\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Avistar 14, Microsoft 9 in patent re-examination battle; shares jump<\/a>. Since there were a total of 29 reported filings by Microsoft, that appears to leave six requests that have neither been rejected nor determined for re-exam. (The reported 21 cent jump in AVSR share price from below a dollar to $1.18, might actually be the biggest news, given the NASDAQ ramifications of share prices less than a dollar.)<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m leery of the clerical accuracy of the &#8220;Patent Application Information Retrieval&#8221; (&#8220;Public PAIR&#8221;) data at <a href=\"http:\/\/portal.uspto.gov\/external\/portal\/pair\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/portal.uspto.gov\/external\/portal\/pair<\/a>, because of typos and worse that I have found in the past\/find there now, but I have looked there at a few of the Avistar patents. There seem to be three patents of special interest when Avistar asserts patents against other companies. For example, from <a href=\"http:\/\/findarticles.com\/p\/articles\/mi_m0EIN\/is_2005_May_12\/ai_n13697216\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Avistar Announces Patent Infringement Lawsuit Against TANDBERG<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Avistar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq:AVSR), a provider of business video collaboration solutions and technology, today announced that its wholly owned subsidiary, Collaboration Properties, Inc. (CPI), has filed a patent infringement lawsuit against TANDBERG ASA and TANDBERG, Inc. In the suit, CPI alleges that several TANDBERG videoconferencing products infringe three of CPI&#8217;s patents. The three patents involved are U.S. Patent No. 5,867,654; No. 5,896,500; and No. 6,212,547.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>According to PAIR:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Patent number 5,867,654, \u201cTwo monitor videoconferencing hardware\u201d, has a status of &#8220;Reexam Assigned to Examiner for Determination&#8221; as of April 11. (Update June 14: &#8216;654 request for re-exam is now listed as denied, as of June 10.)<\/li>\n<li>Patent number 5,896,500, &#8220;System for call request which results in first and second call handle defining call state consisting of active or hold for its respective AV device&#8221; has a status of &#8220;Request for Reexamination Denied&#8221; as of May 30.<\/li>\n<li>Patent number 6,212,547, \u201cUTP based video and data conferencing\u201d, has a status of &#8220;Determination &#8211; Reexamination Ordered&#8221; as of May 20. (Update January 15, 2009: &#8216;547 is now listed as &#8220;Non-Final Action Mailed&#8221;, as of December 5.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So for these three main patents, the score seems to be Avistar 1 (#500) , Microsoft 1 (#547), with the tie breaker (#654) pending.<\/p>\n<p>But I suspect that the number of patents requested for re-exam, and the numbers of patents where Avistar and Microsoft win these preliminary determinations, will matter very little relative to what happens with that one patent where reexam is ordered.<\/p>\n<p>6,212,547 is likely more important than any of the other numbers above.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday, Avistar issued a press release: Fourteen of Microsoft Re-examination Challenges of Avistar&#8217;s U.S. Patents Rejected by U.S. Patent Office. 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